she said it would be interesting, especially with the new is the -- presidency to, be down in west virginia right now, to sort of get thed in washington look. i have to say so far i agree. it's been fascinating, a lot of funnel. >> what have you learned? >> well, i'd never been to washington before. >> ever? >> no, not ever. so i really -- i had my own opinions about how things were getting done. i still have those opinions but it's been nice to talk to people who live here. >> give us an idea of opinions you had before you got here about this town. >> i didn't mean necessarily about the town but more the people in it. there was a quote that gene alperlt said on the first day -- 65 area miles of washington, surrounded by reality. that was my mentality going in but i think it makes a lot more sense now, the world that this is in. >> why? >> this is the center of everything. like -- i have that opinion now and it's not something they understood before. it's not a place that you can come and take in opinions from outside and ignore the fact that this is the place where you have to engage with